Hour markers

[djsoft]

Estoy dispuesto a trabajar gratis en el código de Sigue Editor. Si está interesado podemos seguir la conversación por correo.

It requires testing to find out the bugs Fixing is not really a big deal in most cases. There is currently a bug with prelistening the mixes, we'll sort it out in the next release I think.

 

[nelson c]

It requires testing to find out the bugs Fixing is not really a big deal in most cases. There is currently a bug with prelistening the mixes, we'll sort it out in the next release I think.

I was referring to integrating voicetrack into sigue editor. I was doing some tests here with the software that I mentioned and that function is fantastic!
I would like to know your opinion about this function

Additionally we need the new audio engine to be able to raise and lower the volumes of a track. (and not just a fadein, fadeout, gain. I'm not sure if the program is ready for this)

 

[nelson c]

I was referring to integrating voicetrack into sigue editor. I was doing some tests here with the software that I mentioned and that function is fantastic!
I would like to know your opinion about this function

Additionally we need the new audio engine to be able to raise and lower the volumes of a track. (and not just a fadein, fadeout, gain. I'm not sure if the program is ready for this)

Returning to the title of the discussion. Here is an idea of how to implement time stamps. I think this could be a good start. By pressing the time we can filter the tracks between those hours. Then the remote voicetrack can only see the time it is assigned.
I agree with you that it should be an optional form of work. Clearly this does not take into account the events that will be inserted into the list.
But I'm also in favor of the idea of discarding clues, for various reasons, but we can predict this at first.

 

[djsoft]

Additionally we need the new audio engine to be able to raise and lower the volumes of a track. (and not just a fadein, fadeout, gain. I'm not sure if the program is ready for this)

For what purpose? It canm lower the volume for voiceovers as configured in Track Tool and under certain other occasions like voice track playback.
Voice track recorder can be added into Segue Editor to allow in-place recording; this will be considered for the future versions.

Returning to the title of the discussion. Here is an idea of how to implement time stamps. I think this could be a good start. By pressing the time we can filter the tracks between those hours. Then the remote voicetrack can only see the time it is assigned.

I see it's like a simple filter based on track start times, so it only displays the tracks for a certain hour.

 

[nelson c]

I see that it's like using Segue Editor in RadioBOSS that also allows recording voice tracks. The difference here is that the volume of the music is controlled automatically in RadioBOSS and this software is in semi-manual mode.

Sorry I had skipped this post.
This tool allows you to create a voicetrack in the same way that it would be done operating live, at the time of recording.
I do not know if I clarify it before but at the moment that "rec" is pressed, the reproduction begins ... the announcer could sing on the track for example. After starting to record, the next button is enabled, so that he decides when the next track begins (in the same way that it would be done in a live program).
Then all this is editable ... but it helps a lot to simulate the operation of a live program.

 

[nelson c]

For what purpose? It canm lower the volume for voiceovers as configured in Track Tool and under certain other occasions like voice track playback.
Voice track recorder can be added into Segue Editor to allow in-place recording; this will be considered for the future versions.

The idea is to lower your voice when the announcer starts speaking and then raise it when the voicetrack ends. Basically it is to replicate the behavior of voicetrack in follow editor.
Here everything is automatic, from the place where you are positioned, when you start recording, the program performs an attenuation of the track that ends (through the voicetrack).
when next is pressed in the recording the track starts but also at a low volume since it is riding on the voicetrack. Then at the end of the voicetrack it should be returned to the original volume.
All this is done through points that the program creates, which are editable with a simple click. It is something very similar to adobe audition (multitrack mode)

 

[nelson c]

I see it's like a simple filter based on track start times, so it only displays the tracks for a certain hour.

I would like to refer to a post that I read a few years ago in which several people argued that it is better to have "all day in the playlist", and not events that are added from a planner.
Basically this is the operation of the most sophisticated programs (and also more expensive), and they show each programming by blocks of one hour (in which the excess tracks are discarded). This is far from being the idea of radioboss, and I get it.
Without trying to get to this, a simple approach would be to create this filter and, for example, for remote announcers only allow you to edit the tracks within a time slot, and that they can only add or remove tracks within that tab.
The next hour it moves to the next tile and the remaining clues are discarded.
I honestly think that for many users it would be a complication, but it could be optional.

 

[nelson c]

I for one would absolutely support hourly markers. The way the Playlist is created at the moment is structured not too bad, but just not structured as good as it could be, thus needs improving.
When creating a Playlist with hourly markers, it enables you to start the hour off after the News, Weather etc. (voicing in other words), always with strong upbeat fast track. Right now you have the possibility of a slow paced song starting off the hour, and this does not sound good. I cringe when it happens.
We need to have each hour worked out absolutely to a tee as to how we want it to sound.
Hourly structures would just make such a difference for our listeners. Well maybe more for me to put a smile on my face, if I am being absolutely honest about it
So if possible I would like to see it added to Beta 6.
PS
This is actually something I have asked for before, so maybe its been on your list somewhere.

I clearly subscribe to this idea. Basically the most sophisticated programming programs like Powergold, MusicMaster and Powerselector generate blocks per hour and the excess tracks are discarded. (Every hour goes to a new block).
But even without the use of external programs it can be very useful. (Editing by hand with which tracks it will start each hour for example, and thus have complete control of the entire day hour by hour).
Currently if you want to manually edit the playlist to start at x time with a song, it is not possible since it will surely be postponed due to some event that is going to be added.
Even adding this hourly filter that I suggested in the post a few days ago, (just as a filter) could be a good start.

 

[djsoft]

I do not know if I clarify it before but at the moment that "rec" is pressed, the reproduction begins ... the announcer could sing on the track for example. After starting to record, the next button is enabled, so that he decides when the next track begins (in the same way that it would be done in a live program).

Like pressing the MIC button but also recording a voice track in parallel?

I would like to refer to a post that I read a few years ago in which several people argued that it is better to have "all day in the playlist", and not events that are added from a planner.

Even if you have the music tracks for the whole day, the ads and probably other things are still inserted with the scheduler.

Basically this is the operation of the most sophisticated programs (and also more expensive)

This looks like a totally different way of work. I currently do not see that we'll be changing RadioBOSS radically, to be honest.

I clearly subscribe to this idea. Basically the most sophisticated programming programs like Powergold, MusicMaster and Powerselector generate blocks per hour and the excess tracks are discarded. (Every hour goes to a new block).

This is already possible. Make it generate a new playlist every hour and clear the playlist contents. Many people work with RadioBOSS this way. This also fixes the "first track of the hour is slow" because you can make an hour template that will have its very first track "fast".

That is, the setup could be like this:

• the top of the hour event e.g. time announcement with the "Clear playlist" option
• couple of seconds later, a new music playlist for this hour is inserted, it can be a generate command or just start a playlist that was generated earlier

This way every hour starts clean. You can prepare the 24 playlists in advance to ensure the playlists are ready when they are needed: https://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/generating-multiple-playlists.htm

 

[nelson c]

This is already possible. Make it generate a new playlist every hour and clear the playlist contents. Many people work with RadioBOSS this way. This also fixes the "first track of the hour is slow" because you can make an hour template that will have its very first track "fast".

This option is very powerful, but it has the problem that there is no repetition control between two generations. For example, if it is generated all week, the beginning of a generation does not take into account the repetition controls of the previous week.
Some kind of replay buffer would be useful to handle this. (It is the way they work the aforementioned software)

 

[nelson c]

Like pressing the MIC button but also recording a voice track in parallel?

Not really. I think the idea was not understood.
When "rec" is pressed, the playback of the next editor (in cue) starts, so that while the tracks are being recorded, you can listen to the songs that will be in the background. (in the same way as when operating live).
For this reason it is allowed to do a next while recording. (The announcer decides when the next track begins. And you can continue talking about the next track until stop is pressed)

 

[nelson c]

Even if you have the music tracks for the whole day, the ads and probably other things are still inserted with the scheduler.

Thinking high: the handling of blocks, allow an event to modify only its block. The next hour will be intact. Now this could cause some problems with advertising eg events that should not be skipped.

 

[nelson c]

This option is very powerful, but it has the problem that there is no repetition control between two generations. For example, if it is generated all week, the beginning of a generation does not take into account the repetition controls of the previous week.
Some kind of replay buffer would be useful to handle this. (It is the way they work the aforementioned software)

Repeating restrictions between preset was always a problem in gen pro playlist.
In the software previously shown they are generated by "hours" instead of preset. A grid assigns which preset is used for each hour.

 

[nelson c]

This way every hour starts clean. You can prepare the 24 playlists in advance to ensure the playlists are ready when they are needed: https://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/generating-multiple-playlists.htm

Is there a way to run with macros the next hour?
Example **: 59 min would be the appropriate time for the next block to load. (since the current track must be finished).
I need to achieve something like ?hh+1. (As exists in gen playlist filters)

 

[djsoft]

This option is very powerful, but it has the problem that there is no repetition control between two generations. For example, if it is generated all week, the beginning of a generation does not take into account the repetition controls of the previous week.

This is not the case. If you create playlists in one go (as described in the article I've linked above), they all share the same repeat protection buffer.

When "rec" is pressed, the playback of the next editor (in cue) starts, so that while the tracks are being recorded, you can listen to the songs that will be in the background. (in the same way as when operating live).

I don't think that RadioBOSS will support something like this in the near future, to be honest. Maybe we'll open a kind of API to allow users creating like custom Segue Editor with such capabilities - however I'm not sure many people will both er with this.

Thinking high: the handling of blocks, allow an event to modify only its block. The next hour will be intact. Now this could cause some problems with advertising eg events that should not be skipped.

It's totally differeent from the way how RadioBOSS and its scheduler operates. This is also true for the "hour programming" and "grids" - when we designed RadioBOSS, we deliberately moved out of this concept.

 

[djsoft]

Is there a way to run with macros the next hour?
Example **: 59 min would be the appropriate time for the next block to load. (since the current track must be finished).
I need to achieve something like ?hh+1. (As exists in gen playlist filters)

You can have one event that creates 24 playlists for the whole day in one go. Then another event that starts those playlists at the top of each hour. This is the simplest way.
Macros are supported for all events, so you can use them for both playlist creation and playlist start events.

 

[nelson c]

It's totally differeent from the way how RadioBOSS and its scheduler operates.

I'm thinking that maybe it's already possible

Is there a command to load a playlist in a certain tab?
The same to pass the playback activates a certain tap.
Only two commands are really needed, they can be useful to make the program more flexible, even maybe they already exist.

 

[nelson c]

This is not the case. If you create playlists in one go (as described in the article I've linked above), they all share the same repeat protection buffer.

Of course, the problem is that in each generation the buffer is lost. It is not possible to share that buffer between different presets, that is the other problem.
They are design issues, I don't think a solution for this is easy.

 

[nelson c]

It's totally differeent from the way how RadioBOSS and its scheduler operates. This is also true for the "hour programming" and "grids" - when we designed RadioBOSS, we deliberately moved out of this concept.

I know that, RadioBOSS handles the simplest things and I agree that this is not the idea of development. But it is also more versatile and allows it to be integrated into a lot of situations.

 

[djsoft]

Is there a command to load a playlist in a certain tab?
The same to pass the playback activates a certain tap.
Only two commands are really needed, they can be useful to make the program more flexible, even maybe they already exist.

Yes, there is the playlist TABNAME command to switch playlist tabs: https://manual.djsoft.net/radioboss/en/scheduler_commands.htm

Of course, the problem is that in each generation the buffer is lost. It is not possible to share that buffer between different presets, that is the other problem.
They are design issues, I don't think a solution for this is easy.

If you create playlists in one go (using the "Create multiple playlists" tool) then the repeat protection buffer is shared. Different presets or one preset, does not matter.

I know that, RadioBOSS handles the simplest things and I agree that this is not the idea of development. But it is also more versatile and allows it to be integrated into a lot of situations.

The current feature set more or less allows to build hourly programming. You can have a "top of the hour" event that clears the playlist and loads the next hour, for instance.